No previews, but it's a very generous site tour.

Type of Site: Photographer
Address: 
www.abbywinters.com
Price:
 $25/month for individual sites; $39/month for all three sites 
Date of Review:
April, 2009
Pornreports Rating: 

    

Review:

APRIL 2009 RE-VISIT

Well, since it's been over FIVE YEARS since our last visit to this classic site, we figured it was past time for an update (we actually first visited it SEVEN years ago!). Not much has changed in terms of sensibility. Abby has apparently left the house, if she ever existed (there seems to be some debate). But the content is very much the same: all amateur Australian girls with an emphasis on natural locations and everyday clothes. Hairy pussy is the rule rather than the exception. Action that isn't dramatized to be artificially sexy, but meant to be unscripted and real. Some girls who are, frankly, not very attractive. But more than a few diamonds in the rough.

It is still a huge site, as you can imagine. It was huge five years ago and updates several times a day. They now have some 3,000 galleries and 4,000 movies. The basic organizational structure, however, has changed in at least two major ways. In the first place there are different membership options. Gone is the old "Gold" membership. Instead the content is divided into three areas: solo girls, girl-girl, and intimate moments. You will notice from this that cock has largely disappeared from the menu. Solo girls and girl-girl are just what their names imply. The intimate moments are masturbation movies, with the girls setting up the cameras themselves and then doing their thing in front of them. You can get a membership to each individual area for $25 a month, or to all three for $39 a month (with rebill option). For what it's worth, we thought the solo girl site was the best, with the intimate moments being the most disappointing (mainly because the filming of these scenes, mainly from a fixed camera position throughout the entire scene, is really dull).

The other big change in structure has to do with navigation. Gone are all of the cute little icons for different kinds of content. Instead the main driver for navigation are a series of member "lists." The effect is sort of like Amazon on steroids. But . . . it works. Maybe because there's just so damn much on tap. But allowing for a basically member-driven organizational structure has produced a really effective, and unique in our experience, system. The site still has a very advanced search function (you can browse categories for things like "meaty pussy lips" and "inverted nipples"), but we found ourselves mainly using the lists to get around.

The rest of the site is very user-friendly and interactive as well. The only other site we can think of that does so much is Twistys (which has very different content). You really feel you're joining a special club, right down to the daily news reports. As far as other changes are concerned, there's good and bad. The good to report is that the photography is getting better. When this site started out it was kind of snappy-happy with a lot of the pics. They seem a little more professional now, and the quality is excellent (large format pics are 4000 pixel). The not-so-good is the video, which we still have trouble getting into. The download options are fine, with most movies coming in Flash, HQ mp4, mp4, Windows Media and mpeg formats. The videos tend to be short, and are not HD, but mainly we just felt that the "productions" (deliberate quotation marks) themselves weren't our thing. Again, the emphasis is on being natural and not trying to be sexy. Which is OK, and can work some of the time. But as we said seven years ago, we wish they'd work with us a bit more and professionalize the filming a bit. 

There are a lot of odd things about this site. In particular, despite how big it is, the sensibility is very niche-oriented. This isn't a site for everyone. It is not generic porn. But if you're into young girls and the whole natural, anti-glam aesthetic they're still the standard-bearers. The price for the full three-site package, which is probably what you should go with (otherwise you'll likely just find yourself wanting to upgrade your membership anyway) is a bit high, but for the amount of stuff you're getting it's not bad.

MARCH 2004 REVIEW

By now most of you will have already heard of Abby Winters, an Australian chick (her word) who decided to start up her own porn site in response to all of the lousy adult material out there that "missed the point" or was "boring and uninspired." This is the origin of AbbyWinters.com, and it's important to keep in mind. It's something we'll have more to say about later.

But first off we have to say this is a superb site. It was a great site when we first visited in 2002, and it's only getting better. Navigation is super user-friendly, but we advise you to go to the site map first to see where everything is. In addition to everything else, this has become a very big site with a lot of different areas. There's even a separate "sound bites" section with files of the girls saying "You have an e-mail!" and other such things in their Aussie accents. Loved it! 

At times the categorization seems to get a little out of hand though. Is it trying too hard? "Backstage" and "Girl-Girl" are self-explanatory. "Deviations" ("special sets different from the norm") is more like a come-on. "Mezzanine" totally eluded us (and the definition--"models on another scale"--wasn't a big help). Just browsing the site is fun (we love the little pee icons), but we thought there might be room for a model search function where users could search by hair colour, breast size,  etc. We also thought the proofreading was a little slack for a site that looks so damn good. But we pick up on this for every site we visit and we're really not sure anyone aside from us cares. No webmasters have offered to pay us for our services as "porn proofreaders". But we could help out with text like "both started slow and ended up having a fun exploring journy of eachothers bodies [all sic]."

Site support is everywhere. There is a lot of personal involvement in the site on a daily basis, with Abby and the rest of her team (including some of the models) taking part in a very active message board. The pics are full screen-plus and incredibly sharp, whether in full body or super close-up. Total shoots can be downloaded in zip files. You can save these pics as wallpapers. The quality of digital photography on the Internet has gotten so good lately, you have to wonder why more of the pros aren't getting with the program. Why is stuff this good being done by amateurs (and there a number of great amateur nude photography sites out there now) when the big boys are still screwing us around with their little pics? And if you want to know how Abby does it, just read her About page as she proudly inventories the tools of her trade (that's her photographic equipment, by the way).

You can check out the site stats anytime (and do take advantage of the very generous site tour). When we last visited they broke down to nearly 65,000 pics and 683 videos. All done by Abby herself. Wow.

The videos in the main members section are high quality mpgs, looking great full-screen. Most of them run from 25-60 megs, which is a nice size. They aren't split up into tiny clips. After some early experimentation and apparent legal hassles, the music has been canned. Thank god! Who wouldn't rather listen to natural sound? In the clips we watched the editing and camera movement was very professional, reminding us of the movies at LittleMutt.com. The pace is very relaxed, but erotic in a realistic, inoffensive kind of way.

Overall the action is pretty tame, though you do get a bit of toy play, shaving, peeing and quite a lot of soft lesbian action. A bit of cock. Very little fetish (though the Gold Members area--which comes with a three-month membership--does have a Deviations section where you'll find some basic bondage and other slightly kinky stuff, including some pregnant chicks). You should also plan on spending a lot of time getting to know the girls. Interviews make up a substantial part of the video section. Not really sexy, but charming.

Updates are occurring seven days a week, with around 500 pics and three videos spread out over the week. In all of this there is nothing to knock.

Our suspicions were raised somewhat by the two-tiered membership. But again, a trip through the site tour will let you know exactly what you are getting with a Basic membership and what you get with a Gold. All-in-all, we didn't think holding out the gold was a scam. Basic membership is a relatively cheap $17.50 a month, so a gold at $30 a month or $45.00 for three months isn't that big a deal. And for the Gold membership you really get a lot more, especially in terms of video (another way of putting that is to say that for a Basic membership you don't get as much). There are a lot of movie files available for download now, including plenty of "hardcore" lesbian action (we're never sure what that term means when applied to two women, but suffice to say they go at it). You will want to read the clip descriptions first however, as there is also a fair bit of talk and the thumbnailing for the videos just isn't happening. This needs to be improved.

Having said all this, we should point out that AbbyWinters.com isn't for everyone. Remember, this is a site that set out to be a kind of antidote to what, for lack of a better word, we'll call industry porn. Abby's focus on the natural and the normal over the plastic fantastic look of mainstream porn can be almost self-defeating. Many of the models are very cute and attractive, but there are also a number who are just average. (All are quite young, by the way. Abby targets the 18-23 age group. Older Australian chicks can be found at Girls Out West.) Eschewing glamour and fantasy, Abby skirts a thin line with the unerotic. Forget about the make-up or sexy outrageous clothes or "pornstar hair." This is dismissed as "guff." Forget about sexy fantasy shoots, those "high heels, stripper uniforms or dumb doctor-and-nurse scenarios." 

Well, yes, we'd like to say, but . . . work with us Abby! There is a section of models who shave, but it is small and Abby tells us "We don't do this much any more." That's what you call a royal "We". Expect bush. Silicone boobs are definitely not in. Clothes are very much what you wear around the house (many of the models are shot in their own homes), including a lot of baggy, bunchy underwear. Are thongs illegal in Australia? With all those beaches, they can't be! And yet when Abby shoots girls on the beach they are wearing bikinis that seem almost vintage.

We found ourselves returning to Abby's claim that industry porn misses the point. But what is the point? Arousal? Abby's is an aesthetic of naturalness and personality. Her models are "young and  natural, healthy and happy." It's like she isn't even trying to be sexy, at least in a Stephen J. Hicks or Suze Randall kind of way. Her photos and videos are indirectly or "unselfconsciously" erotic, but they do work. In the end, we're not sure we'd call Abby a great photographer, at least yet, but there's no question she creates an atmosphere. She's found her visual "voice" and her industry niche. Who knows? She may end up being recognized as one of the seminal artists of the Internet. 

And did we just get away with saying "seminal"?

OK, these are philosophical differences. And while our own prejudices lean more toward fantasy and porn with a narrative, there's no denying Abby's triumph in creating such a terrific site to showcase her own vision. In addition, this vision is front and center at all times. A quick tour of the site--and Abby really has a great tour--will let you know what you're getting. In terms of its technical accomplishment there is simply nothing to fault. This is as good a production as you will find anywhere. It may not want to be "glam", but it's flat out impressive all the same. For those who like to keep it real, we recommend it very highly. The basic membership is a good deal, but you do get a whole lot more with the gold.